Monday, May 29, 2023
The Cunundrum of Our Goldfoot Line: DNA Between QBZ67 and Q-M378--3rd Cousins
Nadene Goldfoot
Dad, known in South Portland boxing circles as Billy Meshke, AKA Morris Goldfoot, son of Nathan Abraham Goldfoot, below: Nathan Abraham Goldfus b: 1871-d: 1912My brother was tested with the Big Y haplogroup test offered by Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and it is QBZ67. Earlier before the Big Y test, David was listed as a Q-M242, and Q-Y2200 I have traced the Goldfoot line through David to our father, Moshe Goldfoot/Morris Goldfoot/Maurice Goldfoot to our grandfather, Nathan Abraham Goldfoot/Goldfus (Nathan "Nokhim Avram"Abraham" Goldfus Goldfoot) to Telsiai, Lithuania who had immigrated to England, then Dublin, Ireland where he lived with other Goldfoots. He even married briefly and then somehow got to Council, Idaho and married our grandmother (Bubbie) Zlata Jermulowski/sky. We knew our grandfather only as Nathan Goldfoot. I was not aware of any middle name until I did genealogy searches, or where he was born. Census only said "Russia."
One thing I can be sure is that the whole line of Goldfus that I found were from Telsiai going back to about 1730, and that there were many on our tree.
The problem is that I do not have paper evidence as to Nathan's parents. I chose Movsha ben Josel (John) Goldfus born 1836 in Telsiai, Lithuania from others because of the first name which was probably Moshe as my father's was on his birth certificate. Otherwise, I might not have realized that his name of Morris was the chosen anglicized form for Moshe (Moses). The Jewish custom was to name after the deceased. Movsha of Telsiai (Telz) was a distiller. (a person or company that manufactures liquor."barrels that the master distiller deems to be of superior quality").
Ian was in track and field at the university in Austin, Texas. He was a fast runner. Nov 4, 1934-Feb 9, 2022.Then I was found by Ian Goldfoot who had moved to the States from South Africa. We talked and realized at once that we were of the same Goldfoot line. Ian tested his haplogroup DNA and was an Q-M378, a little different from my brother's Q-M242.
The direct lines of both Nathan Abraham Goldfoot, my grandfather, and Ian Goldfoot and to his half-sister, Denise, my contemporary-born in 1934, and my 3rd cousin, is as follows:
Me: Nadene Goldfoot b: 1934 Portland, OR; f: Moshe,Maurice Goldfoot b: 1908 Portland; to Nathan Abraham Goldfus b: 1871 Telsiai, Lithuania to Movsha Goldfus b: 1836, to Iosel Josel Symka ben Yankel Goldfus b: 1798, to Iankel Yankel ben Abram Goldfus b: 1768-1774
Ian: Ian Goldfoot b: 1934 Krugerdorp, South Africa, f: Solomon Shlomo Solly Goldfoot b: 1904, Dublin, Ireland; Hyman Haim Goldfus Goldfoot b: 1867 Telsiai, to Avraham Haim Goldfus b: 1825 Telsiai, to Iankel Yankel ben Abram Goldfus b: 1768-1774
Therefore, as far as I can tell, Ian and my connection goes back to 1768 in Telsiai,Lithuania to Iankel or Yankel ben Abram Goldfus and his wife, Khana. Ian is 3rd cousin to my brother and myself and to my contemporary 1st cousins from my father's family.
1. IANKEL YANKEL BEN ABRAM6 GOLDFUS (ABRAM5, IONES JONAH4, UNKNOWN DNA MATCHING3, JACOB2, SALTMAN1 KALONYMUS, DARSHAN, JAFFE) was born Bet. 1768 - 1774 in Telsai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania, and died December 06, 1860 in Telsliai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania. He married (2) KHANA UNKNOWN Abt. 1800. She was born Abt. 1778 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania.
Notes for IANKEL YANKEL BEN ABRAM GOLDFUS:
3/9/08 I found a Rachel Clare Goldfoot b: 4 Feb 1906 and died Oct 1986 in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire at age 80. She may have been a widow of a Goldfoot, I don't know.
I found and met Stanley Goldfoot in Jerusalem. He is my 3rd cousin. Stanley was a contemporary of my mother. Stanley was born in 1914 in South Africa. His father was Simon Goldfoot b: 1874 in Telsiai, Lithuania, and grandfather was SOLOMON-Shlomo Zalman Goldfus/ Goldfoot b: 1848-1849. then his father was Avrohom Abraham Haim Goldfus b: 1825 in Telsiai, making Stanley and Ian related through Abraham Haim Goldfus as 2nd cousins.
Stanley and Helen, his 2nd wife, living at Dor v'Dor Street in Jerusalem. (Stanley-May 2, 1914-Nov 24, 2006)Stanley was the Chief of Intelligence for the Stern Group, called the Stern Gang by the British who were holding the 30 year mandate of Palestine. He had immigrated to Palestine at age 18 right out of high school in Houghton, Johannesburg, South Africa. Meeting him in Jerusalem at the King David Hotel was a thrill ! We met several times after that at his home.
3/11/08 Oral history from Stanley Goldfoot and Denise's father, Solomon Goldfoot, was that they were descendants of Vilna Gaon, who was Elijah Ben Solomon Zalman. 1720-1797. Talmudist.
About the Vilna Gaon, very famous Rabbi: leaves about 20,000 descendants as of 1975 starting from the birth year of 1750 starting with the children of thee Vilna Gaon of 8 children. p. 8.He was born in Lithuania and was early famed for his scholarship. From 1740-1745 he traveled among the Jewish
communities of Poland and Germany, settling in Vilna where he taught and later
founded his own academy. He lived in
seclusion and refused rabbinic office.
He was called a saint and a scholar.
He led the opposition to the Hasidim in Lithuania, ordering their
excommunication and the destruction of their literature. His obdurate attitude checked the spread of
Hasidism in Lithuania. When he was about
60, he set out unaccompanied for Palestine but returned before reading it. His reputation lies primarily in the field of
halakhah. He sought to establish
critical texts of the authoritative rabbinic writings, resorting also to
emendations. He avoided pilpul and based
his views and rulings upon the plain meaning of the text. He regarded highly the early kabbalistic works,
and was extremely critical of philosophy.
He was interested in secular studies insofar as they threw light on the
Torah, but he opposed the Haskalah. His
works include commentaries on the Bible, annotations on the Talmud, Midrash,
and Zohar, works on mathematics, the geography of Palestine, Hebrew grammar,
etc. He exercised a vast influence on
his own and succeeding generations, the Mitnaggedim regarding him as their
spiritual leader.
from Geni: Dear Ezra,
Looking at your tree it appears that someone has given your patriline the identification of: Haplogroup Q-M242 / Q-Y2754 Y-DNA (in the about section of your father's profile and in the pedigree up to Moshe (Movsha) Magid). Do you know how this Q-M242 identification came to be associated to your pedigree? ( b: 1791 in Vilnius, Lithuania).
From the GENI tree it appears that Moshe Magid is the patriline great grand nephew of HaGRA. If all of this is correct and verifiable then it seems that indeed HaGRA is a Q-M242. Can you please cite the Maciamo Hay paper?
If this above holds true than you yourself may be a patriline relation of HaGRA. Have you done your yDNA testing?
Cordially and Appreciatively,
Adam (when researching about Vilna Gaon)
4/1/15 and 6/17/15, Yankel died at age 92 from old age, on Lithuania death list of LitvakSIG. On Tevet 5. also from Jewishgen through Dennis Khan.
Q-M242 is believed to have arisen around the Altai Mountains area (or South Central Siberia), approximately 17,000 to 31,700 years ago. However, the matter remains unclear due to limited sample sizes and changing definitions of Haplogroup Q: early definitions used a combination of the SNPs M242, P36.2, and MEH2 as defining mutations.
More About IANKEL YANKEL BEN ABRAM GOLDFUS:
Name 2: Iankel Yankel
Goldfus
Name 3: Iankel Yankel
Ben Abram Goldfus
Date born 2: 1768
Date born 3: Bet.
1768 - 1774, Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania
Died 2: Tevet 5 6/12/1860
Cause of Death: old
age
Census 1: 1811, age
37 Telsiai
Census 2: August 17,
1816, age 42, Revision, Iankel, Abram, head of household
Census 3: August 17,
1816, Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lith. age 42 (Revision List)
Citizenship 1: May
23, 1846, Well-to-do, 8 kopecks, with family, Candle Taxpayers
Citizenship 2: 1855,
Wooden house worth 500 rubles in Kaunas, real estate owners tax,
DNA 1: ca1775-ca1867
DNA 2: 1804, Czarist
law: registration of Jewish births
Occupation: May 23, 1846, Tax & Voters Lists: KRA/1-49/1/1381
More About KHANA UNKNOWN:
Census 1: August 17,
1816, Telsiai, age 40 , wife of Iankel son of Abram, Rvision List
Census 2: August 17, 1816, Revision, Age 40, wife of Iankel
More About IANKEL GOLDFUS and KHANA UNKNOWN:
Marriage: Abt. 1800
To find the connection of a 3rd cousin is quite a feat. However, we Jews make up only 0.02% of the world population, and of the Jewish haplogroups, Qs make up probably about 5% or less of this group as well. We're a rare group ! May we continue somehow! We're going to depend on those who did not change their names and are still Goldfus. It takes a male to keep the surname going.
From What Haplogroup WE Be? from another of my blogs:
Q1b1: 5% of Ashkenazi Jewish men are found to be Q1b, of which is my father’s haplogroup (Q1b1a or Q-L245) and the latest is called Q-Y2200, updated to Q-BZ67. Q originated in Central Asia 15,000 to 20,000 years ago and the men migrated through northern Eurasia into the Americas. Q3 became Native Americans coming from a mutation that happened 8,000 to 12,000 years ago. Q1b’s are from the Altai Mountains in Mongolia, Siberia and parts of Turkey. Khazaria may be the home of Q1b’s, and therefore these men could be part of the Ashina Royal Dynasty. Their common ancestor was a man 1,000 years ago. New Q SNP test results in: Q-L245 is Ashkenazi, Q-Y2780=ca 1400 CE; Q-&Ip1071=ca 700 CE, Q-&Ip1010-11 YP1008=800 CE, Q-&P1009=1400 CE ; ?????
4/21/10: P.S.Now we're not positive if Q1b comes from Khazaria though if I had to bet I'd bet that it is. It hasn't been accepted by the main body of scientists who decide such things. To me it's the most logical place, but we have no actual proof. We need more, perhaps several bodies with teeth that could be tested for the Ydna from Khazaria. Most likely the population of Khazaria was made up of a mixture of people from various haplogroups, but it's the Royal family that we're hoping to turn out to be Q1b's as the Royal family converted to Judaism but did not force their people to convert.Researcher: Prof. Alfred Krupa: " As for my Ashina of Khazaria certification, it has been issued by the largest genetic company IGENEA of Zurich, after agreement from the worlds largest genetic company FTDNA of Houston. Bennett Greenspann has been advised about all elements of formal papers and my own research,and approved such conclusion".
Update: 5/10/2012 Q1b1 is losing out in being considered as coming from the Royal family of Khazaria. DNA expert Rebekah Canada reports that they're thinking maybe G types and R1a1a types more likely candidates.
Double Update: 5/10/2012 from Rebekah Canada:
Updated on SNPs 5/26/16 to Q-BZ67.
Is Q-L245 found in modern Arab populations? Yes
Is Q-L245 found in modern Anatolian populatons? Yes
Is Q-L245 found in modern Iran and Iraq? Yes
Is Q-L245 found from the modern locations of the Ancient city of Ur down to the tip of Saudi Arabia and Oman? Yes
Does that cover the places where ancient Israel, Judah, and Sumaria were? Yes.
Update: 7/7/13: Sorry, I did a tree from the Torah's information and
Update: 5/29/12; The latest news for our group is that our origins
- Q1a2 (L56, M346): found in Kazakhstan, Russia, Armenia and Hungary
- Q1a2a (L53): found among the Mongols
- Q1a2a1 (L54): found in Mesolthic western Russia
- Q1a2a1a (CTS11969)
- Q1a2a1a1 (M3): the main subclade of Native Americans
- Q1a2a1a2 (L804): found in Germany, Scandinavia and Britain
- Q1a2a1a2a (L807): observed in Britain
- Q1a2a1b (Z780): found among Native Americans, notably in Mexico
- Q1a2a1c (L330): the main subclade of the Mongols, also found among the Kazakhs and Uzbeks, as well as in Ukraine, Turkey and Greece (probably Mongolian and Turkic)
- Q1a2b (L940): found in Central Asia, Afghanistan, India, Russia, Georgia, Hungary, Poland and Germany
- Q1a2b1 (L527): found almost exclusively in Scandinavia and places settled by the Vikings
- Q1a2b2 (L938): observed in Anatolia, Lithuania, Britain and Portugal
- Q1a2b2a (L939): observed in Britain
- Q1a2c (M323)
- Q1b (L275): found among the Tatars of Russia, in Central Asia, Afghanistan and Pakistan
- Q1b1 (M378): observed in Kazakhstan, India and Germany
- Q1b1a (L245): found in the Middle East, among the Jews, in Central Europe and in Sicily
- Q1b1a1 (L272.1): found in Sicily (probably Phoenician)
Resource:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q-M242
Book: Eliyahu's Branches by Chaim Freedman, the Descendants of the Vilna Gaon and his family, 685 pages, large heavy book, but lists people, not dna.
Labels: dna, ian Goldfoot, Nathan Abraham Goldfoot, South Africa, Stanley Goldfoot, USA, Vilna Gaon genealogy connection, What Haplogroup We Be? Jewish Facts From Portland
Saturday, May 01, 2021
Oppenheim or Oppenheimer Connection from Lithuania to South African and American Jews Including Us
Nadene Goldfoot
I've been reading the book, Heshel's Kingdom by Dan Jacobson about his Lithuanian family and grandfather, Rabbi Heshel Melamed of Lithuania who's father-in-law and the author's great-grandfather, Zvi Yakov Opppenheim. The book tells of intimate details about Lithuania, even mentions Telz, which is also spelled as Telsiai, where our Goldfus/foots were from.
On our family tree, we have many Oppenheims and Oppenheimers on our Telsiai branch of the tree. The Oster line that has married into our line also has many Oppenheimers on it. We are related by DNA to the Oster line even though we have no connection from eastern Europe. It must have happened while both were Jews in Germany at the beginning of our German experience of becoming Ashkenazim and must have been quite close at one time being our closeness now.
On Family Tree DNA, I myself have 8 matches with Oppenheim. One is a 3rd cousin; 2 are 4th cousins and 5 are 5th cousins. The 3rd cousin is female, S. Oppenheim which could be a married name, so a man would be Dr. R. Oppenheimer on my father's side with the icon, 4th cousin. I match Dr R.O. on chromosome #7 with my brother, and Ian; on #10 with myself, David, Ian and Sandra, and #14 with myself, David. With another set of people, I see that chromosome #18 had a female 5th cousin A Oppenheimer match David, Myself and 3rd cousin Mrs. Andi Z with a small segment. I'm going by the color coding chart with is easy to use 7 people at one time to check on matching.
OPPENHEIM, town in Germany. Jews are first mentioned there in the tax register of 1241, according to which they were obliged to pay the emperor an annual tax of 15 marks. The Jews of the town, legally the property of the emperor, were placed under the protection of the officers in charge of the local fortress, to whom they paid their taxes. They also paid a house tax to the archbishop of Mainz. *Rudolf of Hapsburg and other kings gave letters of credit to various noblemen which were to be defrayed from the taxes paid by the Jews of Oppenheim; at times, they also leased these taxes. The burden of their taxes appears to have caused several Jews of Oppenheim to join the group that fled from the Rhineland and, under the leadership of *Meir b. Baruch of Rothenburg, attempted to emigrate to Ereẓ Israel (1285). At the end of July 1349, during the persecutions that followed the *Black Death, most of the Jews of Oppenheim were murdered, while others chose martyrdom (*kiddush ha-Shem) and burned themselves to death in order to escape forced conversion at the hands of the mob. Among the martyrs was the rabbi Joel ha-Kohen. (more info in resource), below.)
People in my "The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia" are listed:
Samuel Oppenheim/Oppenheimer b: 1630 philanthropist, court Jew, Germany to Vienna, Leopold's I's agent and financier.
David Oppenheim b: 1664, rabbi born in Worms, Germany nephew of Samuel Oppenheimer
Joseph ben Issachar Susskind Oppenheimer 1698, financier in Germany
Hermann Oppenheim b: 1858 Germany, neurologist
Moritz Daniel Oppenheim b: 1800 Germany, painter
Oppenheimer, David b: 1832 Canada, founder of city of Vancouver, Ontario, mayor
Oppenheimer, Sir Ernest b: 1880 South Africa, mining-Kimberley, probably Lithuanian, baptised
Franz Oppenheimer, b: 1864 Germany
Robert J. Oppenheimer b: 1904, US physicist, U of C, atomic energy research
Through genealogy, I see this connection:
Descendants of Sender Opengeim Oppenheim
1 Sender Opengeim Oppenheim b: Abt. 1814 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania
. 2 Iontaf Jontaf Opengeim b: 1839 in Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania
..... +GUTTA GOLDA bat Nochem GOLDFUS b: 1839 in Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania m: September 04, 1859 in Telsiai, Lithuania m: September 04, 1859 in Telsiai, Lithuania
. 2 Iosif OPPENHEIM b: Abt. 1841
..... +Guta (Golda)
. 2 [1] Shaia Opengeim OPPENHEIM b: Bet. 1842 - 1843 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania
..... +Zlate Pere
. *2nd Wife of [1] Shaia Opengeim OPPENHEIM:
..... +Tsipe Guta b: 1843 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania m: Bef. 1865 in Telsiai, Lithuania m: Bef. 1865 in Telsiai, Lithuania
. 2 [2] Leib Opengeim OPPENHEIM b: Abt. 1845 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania
..... +Rokhel b: Abt. 1845
. *2nd Wife of [2] Leib Opengeim OPPENHEIM:
..... +Grunia
. 2 Iomta Opengeim b: Abt. 1849 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania
..... +Gute b: Abt. 1849 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania m: Abt. 1869 m: Abt. 1869
Labels: dna, encyclopedia Oppenheim, genealogy, Germany, Heshel's Kingdom, Lithuania, Oppenheimer, South Africa, USA
Tuesday, August 04, 2020
IRAN'S USE OF SYRIA AGAINST ISRAEL
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, also known as Mohammad Reza Shah, was the last Shah of Iran from 16 September 1941 until his overthrow in the Iranian Revolution on 11 February 1979. Due to his status as the last Shah of Iran, he is often known as simply the Shah. He had been a friend of Israel as had King Cyrus in 538 BCE of Persia.
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| Ruhollah Khomeini in 1981 former " Iranian politician, revolutionary, and cleric |
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| rockets found by Israeli navy being smuggled by ship |
Ali Khamenei, Iran's Supreme Leader, said, "In Syria, the hand of America and Israel is evident. Wherever a movement is Islamic, poplist and anti-American, we support it."
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| Iran's Revolutionary Guard |
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| Iran's army parading |
One major area of cooperation between Iran and Syria was in Lebanon in the Lebanese Civil War. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran established and trained the Hebollah terrorists to spread Khomeini's ideology and repel the 1982 Israeli invasion in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah is both their ammunition against Israel. Now Iran can influence the Lebanese affairs as well. In 1982, Ronald Reagan was the USA president. Today, 8/4/2020, a huge explosion was triggered and the results made Lebanon look like an A bomb scene. TV first thought fire-crackers went off. It most likely was an ammunition dump stored at the port with other explosives and went off by itself, ammunition for Iran to use bought by Russia.
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| Hezbollah in Lebanon-controlled by Iran |
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| Haifa is 85 miles from Lebanon from Metula, Israel, one goes to the "Good Fence" crossing. From the 1948 establishment of the State of Israel until 1970, Israel's border with Lebanon was quiet to the point that farmers from the Israeli town of Metula farmed their lands in the Ayoun Valley inside Lebanon. In 1970, after their expulsion from Jordan during Black September, the PLO began taking control over southern Lebanon and violating the tranquility that had prevailed in the area. |
In June 2009 Iran had a disputed presidential election. US president Obama condemned their crackdown on their opposition, THE GREEN MOVEMENT who were pro-democracy demonstrators. Obama was elected in 2009. In 2010 Obama signed expanded sanctions against Iran. This caused their oil exports to be halved.
"In 2012, Obama, who had previously demanded the resignation of Syria's president Bashar al-Assad, said that the use of chemical weapons by the Assad government would be crossing a red line and would entail U.S. military action. After reports on 21 August 2013 about the usage of chemical weapons in Syria, the Obama administration formally blamed the incident on the Syrian government and sought Congressional approval for military action in Syria. Besides, Obama sought support from Britain and France for an attack in Syria. The Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel approved plans for a barrage of Tomahawk cruise missile strikes to have those called off by Obama in September. On 11 September 2013 (the first 9/11), Obama put a military strike or combat operations on hold and achieved an agreement with Russia and the Syrian government to destroy all chemical weapons in Syria."
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| President Obama meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss Syria and ISIL, September 29, 2015 |
"Obama's decision to allow the violation of a red line he himself had drawn to go unpunished is widely criticised by the U.S. political establishment, as well as the allies, as detrimental to America's international credibility. However, in early 2016, Obama said he was "proud" of his decision, which repudiated what he referred to as the "Washington playbook" and avoided entangling the US in yet another "unfixable" situation in the Middle East. , "The agony of Syria is the biggest moral stain on Barack Obama's presidency. And the chaos rippling from Syria—where many now turn to al-Qaeda, not the West, for salvation—is his greatest geopolitical failure."
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| Iranian women in Syria, moving in |
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| President Donald Trump |
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| Iran, Turkey and Russia, now good friends |
Things have not always been very good between Iran and Turkey. In a surprise announcement that marked a noticeable shift in Iran’s regional policy, Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif declared Tehran’s “support” for the Turkey-backed “legitimate” Government of National Accord in Libya during a joint press conference with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu on June 15, 2020. It was the Iranian government’s first official endorsement of GNA amid claims and rumors that the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps is surreptitiously transferring arms to forces of the Russian-backed Libyan National Army led by Khalifa Haftar. So Russia is backing the Libyans who also help Iran, and Iran is now supporting Turkey.
Labels: ammunition, Ayatolla, explosion, Good Fence, iran, Iranian soldiers, Israel, Kurds, Lebanon, Putin, rockets, Russia, Shah, Syria, USA


















